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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:57 pm

James wrote:The Olympics

Did you see Boris Johnson's speech at the end of the Beijing Olympics? If he's speaking at the London one, that alone would be a good enough reason to go.
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Postby James » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:44 pm

No, but I have seen him talk before. He is the mayor of London, after all. Also, there was someone at school who was exactly like him.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:53 pm

James wrote:No, but I have seen him talk before. He is the mayor of London, after all. Also, there was someone at school who was exactly like him.

Ah, here you go then. Do you mean there was someone at your school how acted like him or looked like him?
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby James » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:34 pm

Oh wait, I do remember something about wiff waff.

That rickin'-frackin' guy.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:01 pm

James wrote:Oh wait, I do remember something about wiff waff.

That rickin'-frackin' guy.

I know very little about his policies, but his hair is reason enough for one to never tire of ridiculing him.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby Skimba » Sun May 01, 2011 1:34 am

jvcc wrote: his hair

hahahahaha...yea.
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Postby PonderThis » Mon May 02, 2011 11:59 am

Maaan I'm not ready for it to get hot yet but I'd really thought we were done with jacket weather. Yesterday in Houston it was nearly 90 [actual high 88F (31C)]. When I got out of the car at the grocery store when I got back to Dallas I basically sprinted across the parking lot because it was SO COLD. And looking at the weather right now: 46F (8C). That's just a bit of a temperature swing.

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Mon May 02, 2011 11:39 pm

Only 46F? Pfft.

I've just now realized that Nathan Fillion is exactly like a younger more attractive version of Paul Merton. Since becoming familiar with Merton's comical stylings within the past few weeks, I've had the vague impression that something about him seems very American (Fillion is Canadian, but bear with me). Not just his comedy style, but his mannerisms; like a very toned down Rodney Dangerfield. To be honest, though, I'm not very familiar with Dangerfield's comedy at all. Really the only thing I've seen him in is a cartoon where he voiced himself as dog, and at one point some wolves killed a turkey and it ended up in his mouth so his owner was going to shoot him. It was absolutely terrifying to me as a child.

I forgot where I was going with this.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby loofah » Tue May 03, 2011 12:42 am

jvcc wrote:I forgot where I was going with this.
You found out that Rodney Dangerfield is actually Nathan Fillion's dirty old uncle?
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Tue May 03, 2011 1:47 am

loofah wrote:
jvcc wrote:I forgot where I was going with this.
You found out that Rodney Dangerfield is actually Nathan Fillion's dirty old uncle?

Ah, of course.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby ntw3001 » Tue May 03, 2011 9:57 am

Wait, Paul Merton does seem American.

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Tue May 03, 2011 11:19 am

ntw3001 wrote:Wait, Paul Merton does seem American.

You agree? I wish I could put my finger on why.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby ntw3001 » Tue May 03, 2011 12:15 pm

I think it might be the hair.

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Wed May 04, 2011 11:05 pm

No, no. It's more than that.

Does anyone know how to properly pronounce the term "sui generis"? From looking on the internet, it seems you can either go for "soo-eye jen-air-iss" or "soo-ee gen-air-iss". I don't think I've transcribed them into phonetics very well, but hopefully you get the point. One of my professors pronounced it "swee gen-air-ee", like it was French, and that seemed wrong to me.
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Postby Judas Maccabeus » Thu May 05, 2011 7:27 am

SOO-ee (like you're calling a hog)
jeh-NAY-ris.

Feel free to pronounce the second "e" in "generis" in a more anglophone manner as well if you prefer. You're right about French being wrong, since it's a Latin phrase and all...
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Postby jvcc » Thu May 05, 2011 11:18 am

Judas Maccabeus wrote:SOO-ee (like you're calling a hog)
jeh-NAY-ris.

Feel free to pronounce the second "e" in "generis" in a more anglophone manner as well if you prefer. You're right about French being wrong, since it's a Latin phrase and all...

I'm glad, because I don't like that professor.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby James » Thu May 05, 2011 2:52 pm

Judas Maccabeus wrote:SOO-ee (like you're calling a hog)
jeh-NAY-ris.

Feel free to pronounce the second "e" in "generis" in a more anglophone manner as well if you prefer. You're right about French being wrong, since it's a Latin phrase and all...

My intuition would tend towards jeh-NAIR-ris, but I don't really know much about words or talking.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Thu May 05, 2011 2:56 pm

There are five different pronunciations on forvo.
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Postby Skimba » Fri May 06, 2011 10:02 am

Farva?
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Fri May 06, 2011 10:30 pm

I bet some of the science-y people here will know this, but how much does science back up essential gender differences? Because I was reading an article with clearly dubious research behind it that said that women's form of pornography is romance novels, and that the women who like actual pornography are anomalies, or "socially aggressive", as they put it. I watched a fictionalized biography on the life of Daphne du Maurier, and it discussed how she felt that she was two different people, a boy and a girl, with one being aggressive and sexual and the other being more subdued and nurturing. My initial response is that for whatever reason she developed a more "masculine" personality, partly through genetics and partly through environment, but due to societal pressure was forced to compartmentalize it, or fragment herself. This stems from my belief that there's nothing inherently masculine about being male, or feminine about being a female. But I'm open to the possibility that I'm wrong, and that even if men and women were somehow raised outside of society they would still exhibit masculine and feminine traits, and du Maurier just had a somewhat unique genetic makeup (like more than the average amount of testosterone, or something).

So, essentially, I'm asking if anyone can settle the nature vs. nurture debate in regards to gender and sexuality. No hurry, just when you can.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby badplantmommy » Sat May 07, 2011 3:48 am

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby ntw3001 » Sat May 07, 2011 8:35 am

jvcc wrote:I bet some of the science-y people here will know this, but how much does science back up essential gender differences? Because I was reading an article with clearly dubious research behind it that said that women's form of pornography is romance novels, and that the women who like actual pornography are anomalies, or "socially aggressive", as they put it. I watched a fictionalized biography on the life of Daphne du Maurier, and it discussed how she felt that she was two different people, a boy and a girl, with one being aggressive and sexual and the other being more subdued and nurturing. My initial response is that for whatever reason she developed a more "masculine" personality, partly through genetics and partly through environment, but due to societal pressure was forced to compartmentalize it, or fragment herself. This stems from my belief that there's nothing inherently masculine about being male, or feminine about being a female. But I'm open to the possibility that I'm wrong, and that even if men and women were somehow raised outside of society they would still exhibit masculine and feminine traits, and du Maurier just had a somewhat unique genetic makeup (like more than the average amount of testosterone, or something).

So, essentially, I'm asking if anyone can settle the nature vs. nurture debate in regards to gender and sexuality. No hurry, just when you can.


My (expert, as always) opinion is that different genders are predisposed towards certain traits, and then socialisation probably does some work in magnifying those traits. While gender roles are a broad result of social pressure, they're not chosen and enforced completely at random. Women may not be hardwired to like pink, but there's probably genetic pressure to be more concerned about their appearance, due to females having a much higher cost of reproduction and well I'm sure someone else can get into this and draw it to a much more satisfying conclusion.

So yeah, while social pressure has a definite effect (of course), the idea of an amazon-type society in which normal gender roles are reversed doesn't really make a lot of sense. ntw3001 has spoken, and if it was previously false it is now true.

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Sat May 07, 2011 1:26 pm

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jvcc wrote:I bet some of the science-y people here will know this, but how much does science back up essential gender differences? Because I was reading an article with clearly dubious research behind it that said that women's form of pornography is romance novels, and that the women who like actual pornography are anomalies, or "socially aggressive", as they put it. I watched a fictionalized biography on the life of Daphne du Maurier, and it discussed how she felt that she was two different people, a boy and a girl, with one being aggressive and sexual and the other being more subdued and nurturing. My initial response is that for whatever reason she developed a more "masculine" personality, partly through genetics and partly through environment, but due to societal pressure was forced to compartmentalize it, or fragment herself. This stems from my belief that there's nothing inherently masculine about being male, or feminine about being a female. But I'm open to the possibility that I'm wrong, and that even if men and women were somehow raised outside of society they would still exhibit masculine and feminine traits, and du Maurier just had a somewhat unique genetic makeup (like more than the average amount of testosterone, or something).

So, essentially, I'm asking if anyone can settle the nature vs. nurture debate in regards to gender and sexuality. No hurry, just when you can.


My (expert, as always) opinion is that different genders are predisposed towards certain traits, and then socialisation probably does some work in magnifying those traits. While gender roles are a broad result of social pressure, they're not chosen and enforced completely at random. Women may not be hardwired to like pink, but there's probably genetic pressure to be more concerned about their appearance, due to females having a much higher cost of reproduction and well I'm sure someone else can get into this and draw it to a much more satisfying conclusion.

So yeah, while social pressure has a definite effect (of course), the idea of an amazon-type society in which normal gender roles are reversed doesn't really make a lot of sense. ntw3001 has spoken, and if it was previously false it is now true.

I would definitely consider concern about appearance to be more a social than a genetic thing, especially because things I've read have suggested that men are more concerned about their appearances than they used to be. So unless their genetic makeup has changed, something in society has.
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Postby Binkatron5000 » Sat May 07, 2011 2:45 pm

jvcc wrote:
ntw3001 wrote:
jvcc wrote:I bet some of the science-y people here will know this, but how much does science back up essential gender differences? Because I was reading an article with clearly dubious research behind it that said that women's form of pornography is romance novels, and that the women who like actual pornography are anomalies, or "socially aggressive", as they put it. I watched a fictionalized biography on the life of Daphne du Maurier, and it discussed how she felt that she was two different people, a boy and a girl, with one being aggressive and sexual and the other being more subdued and nurturing. My initial response is that for whatever reason she developed a more "masculine" personality, partly through genetics and partly through environment, but due to societal pressure was forced to compartmentalize it, or fragment herself. This stems from my belief that there's nothing inherently masculine about being male, or feminine about being a female. But I'm open to the possibility that I'm wrong, and that even if men and women were somehow raised outside of society they would still exhibit masculine and feminine traits, and du Maurier just had a somewhat unique genetic makeup (like more than the average amount of testosterone, or something).

So, essentially, I'm asking if anyone can settle the nature vs. nurture debate in regards to gender and sexuality. No hurry, just when you can.


I like your statement "there's nothing inherently masculine about being male, or feminine about being a female", and it might help to separate out sex and gender. Sex differences do emerge for various abilities and there is evidence for a biological basis for these differences; gender differences ('gender' referring to stereotypically masculine or feminine traits) tend to be thought of as more socially influenced, at least in my line of work. One of the few stable sex (not gender) differences is in spatial ability: males consistently outperform females on spatial rotation tasks (think, rotating 3d tetris blocks). Females tend to outperform males in tasks that involve fine motor movement and certain emotion recognition abilities.

Some biological evidence comes from research on hormones: the sex differences I mentioned fluctuate in women and men across menstrual cycles and diurnal (daily) cycles. Example: we all have a daily testosterone cycle, which is more pronounced in men. Highest in morning, lowest in afternoon. When testosterone is at its peak, emotion recognition is at its worst. Another example: during menses, estrodiol and progesterone are at their lowest, and before and after ovulation estrodiol and progesterone peak. When those hormones are at the highest concentrations, emotion recognition is best and spatial ability is worst. During menses, emotion recognition is worse and spatial abilities are better!

Anyways, your biological body and brain can be male, female, or something in between (look up female congenital hyperplasia for an example), and your social gender can be masculine or feminine or something in between (or neither), so this makes for a plethora of combinations of how one might define themselves in terms of sex and gender. This doesn't settle the debate, just giving my 2 cents :)
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby jvcc » Sat May 07, 2011 3:41 pm

Thank you, Bink, that's the sort of thing I'm interested in. I don't mean to misinterpret the evidence you've mentioned, but a biological difference in the genders' abilities to perform spatial rotation tasks seems like a very feeble reason for so many people subscribing to essentialist gender beliefs. I'm sure there are more biological differences, some more significant than others, but not enough to stop me from cringing whenever I hear someone begin a statement with, "Oh, women always..." or "Men are always..."
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